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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:37 pm    Post subject: Breaux Reply with quote

I had forgotten just how awful his artwork was until I started going through my books again recently.

Just...wow.

He makes Burles look good.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No... no he doesn't. He may have issues, but he can draw a human without a huge techno-organic headdress.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

without a techno-organic headdress? What kind of freaky people do you live around?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Burles is completely over the top, that is without question. Stylistically, he sucks. But at least he can draw.

But Breaux is just bad at art. His proportions are screwy, he lacks any kind of creativity, the shading looks like utter shit and.. goddamn. It's just bad.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll say one good thing for Breaux.
He's still better than the kevins (siemsomething and long)
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Svartalf wrote:
I'll say one good thing for Breaux.
He's still better than the kevins (siemsomething and long)
Yeah, I suppose that's true. But not really saying much.

Palladium art has always been very hit-or-miss. The best of their stuff is Dubisch's work in Dragons & Gods.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even the stuff I don't like, I kinda like.

I'm a sell out, I guess.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Natasha wrote:
Even the stuff I don't like, I kinda like.

I'm a sell out, I guess.
How does that make sense?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prettz wrote:
Natasha wrote:
Even the stuff I don't like, I kinda like.

I'm a sell out, I guess.
How does that make sense?

Isn't that part of being a sell out? Drinking the Kool Aid?

There is art work in there that I personally don't like, but I allow the creative side of me to look at the style's elements and find the good things.

That's not a dwarf, that's a collection of strong lines, beautiful curves, bullshit artists talk about.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find his Robotech work to be excellent, myself.

Some of his animal head races are good, others are crap. I like his vehicles in Mercenaries, come to think of it. His humans though...they can be very iffy.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing with Breaux is that I think he can draw some pretty awesome equipment. Guns, armour, robots, power armour, that sort of thing. But that is it. Anytime he tries to draw organics they just don't look good.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maverick wrote:
The thing with Breaux is that I think he can draw some pretty awesome equipment. Guns, armour, robots, power armour, that sort of thing. But that is it. Anytime he tries to draw organics they just don't look good.
Go look at his psionic body armor and have your mind changed.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look at Breax's pencils.
If you can find his work before he tries to ink it, it's actually some of the best pieces Palladium has.

But good god almighty, the man needs to hire an inker/colorist. Everytime he inks one of his drawings, it comes out looking like ass.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prettz wrote:
Maverick wrote:
The thing with Breaux is that I think he can draw some pretty awesome equipment. Guns, armour, robots, power armour, that sort of thing. But that is it. Anytime he tries to draw organics they just don't look good.
Go look at his psionic body armor and have your mind changed.


Is that in Phase World? If it is what I am thinking it is...yeah, it looks retarded.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prettz wrote:
...the shading looks like utter shit and.. goddamn. It's just bad.

What shading? It was either pitch black or not - there was none of this "shading" you mention. Mind you, he did start to get better, but considering that he was already getting paid - I don't know how he kept getting work thrown his way, to be honest.

Then again, they've been dishing the ball to Burles pretty frequently as well, and that guy's art just makes me want to yell, "IT'S PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE IF AN ANGLE SNEAKS IN!!!"
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve Dubya wrote:
Prettz wrote:
...the shading looks like utter shit and.. goddamn. It's just bad.

What shading? It was either pitch black or not - there was none of this "shading" you mention. Mind you, he did start to get better, but considering that he was already getting paid - I don't know how he kept getting work thrown his way, to be honest.


You don't need talent if you're personal friends with the guy running the company. That and Breaux had the advantage of being an artist with Palladium really early on in the company's history. Considering Siembieda's track record, the only way to fall from grace there is stealing a million bucks from him.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Considering how long his next fucking book has been languishing on the backburner, maybe that's what he did.

Seriously, NMI had a copy of the book to use for his Open House game in fucking 2008. Where is my goddamn Atorian Empire book! Fuck.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I liked Burles in Earthdawn, but it definitely fit the flavor of the world more, and when I first saw him in palladium I was Shocked "neat, it's that one guy from Earthdawn... Confused wait...this sucks for Rifts Mad "

no really it happened just like that
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't say I miss Breaux all that much but - I know that this is going to draw some flaming shit my way - dang, I miss Kevin Long. The guy is a more than decent b&w draftsman (even if his colour work belongs on some sort of cartoon-licensed cereal box), and did a lot to visually shape some of the more iconic Rifts elements; I'm thinking most early era "tech-toys" like the original Dead Boy, GB and SAMAS. When I first glanced through the CWC and FQ worldbooks, I was just... shocked by some of the things I found in there.

But I also miss Martin, Perez (been a while since I saw a non-recycled Perez piece), and Ewell, so that sort of leaves me in a no-win situation with the art these days.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, Vince Martin apparently doesn't professionally draw anymore, last I heard. A shame, since he's bar none my favorite Palladium artist. Crying or Very sad

Last I heard, Perez was still in an exclusive contract with DC comics (along with Freddie Williams, another favorite). So no new (professional) art from either, and it'd actually be pretty bad if that changed...

Not remembering Ewell at all, honestly. What books do you find his/her pieces?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I met Newton at A-Kon back in 2002. He was a cool guy and we commiserated about his Palladium work. I think he was excited that someone there knew who he was, outside of the A-Kon staff.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Novastar wrote:
Not remembering Ewell at all, honestly. What books do you find his/her pieces?

The super-intricate Atlantis pieces are all Ewell's; those were the ones that he'd probably be best known for.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like the Metzla?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Metzla, most of the Kittani stuff - pure Newton. I would have loved to have seen his takes on Kittani material of recent years.

Definitely good on Ramon with the DC thang; just got back from checking some of that out, and tis good.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote







Palladium should have used Dubisch as much as they could, imo.

(This is a repost, as I accidently posted it in the wrong thread earlier)
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